FORCING SPOUT

there is no negative (besides a trivial download) to having players forced to use spout. however, if they aren't using the spout client, they would be unable to access a certain world.

while this isn't the best solution, it would force spout and deny a hell of a lot of hackers.

a lot of our plugins also have some neat spout features, and we'd also be able to put new, unique blocks into our server...

Alright, thanks for the heads up.

Is it already implemented, or is there an estimate day it'll be done?

Last time I checked this computer completely fucks up when I try to install spout >.<

katana wrote:Last time I checked this computer completely fucks up when I try to install spout >.<

Happens to me too.

if you were to make spout, which you should, you should make a forced texture pack. this would limit some people that have see through texturepacks, and make stuff look good to everyone, not just certain texture packs

I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

Yeah but lag D:

zombiekilla96 wrote:I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

yeah these unfortunately are LAG LAG LAG plugins.

forcing spout would eliminate anyone using xray mods, though.

Admin wrote:

zombiekilla96 wrote:I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

yeah these unfortunately are LAG LAG LAG plugins.

forcing spout would eliminate anyone using xray mods, though.

What the hell is sput anyways?

EvoExor wrote:

Admin wrote:

zombiekilla96 wrote:I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

yeah these unfortunately are LAG LAG LAG plugins.

forcing spout would eliminate anyone using xray mods, though.

What the hell is sput anyways?

i a sort of Mc Client.

parkourmen wrote:

EvoExor wrote:

Admin wrote:

zombiekilla96 wrote:I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

yeah these unfortunately are LAG LAG LAG plugins.

forcing spout would eliminate anyone using xray mods, though.

What the hell is sput anyways?

i a sort of Mc Client.

So, if fox and hjel decides to force us to use spout to join the server, they are loosing alot off members like me.

EvoExor wrote:

parkourmen wrote:

EvoExor wrote:

Admin wrote:

zombiekilla96 wrote:I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

yeah these unfortunately are LAG LAG LAG plugins.

forcing spout would eliminate anyone using xray mods, though.

What the hell is sput anyways?

i a sort of Mc Client.

So, if fox and hjel decides to force us to use spout to join the server, they are loosing alot off members like me.

It crashes my Pc. i cant use mods or hacks or any kind of client.

why would we lose any members?

spoutcraft is a community-released version of minecraft that enables us to do new things with minecraft. the "work" for a user would be the same as just downloading the original minecraft.exe from minecraft.net

it's the same thing. many plugins require the spout-plugin, which hooks into bukkit and does all kinds of awesome. there are features (like making our own blocks) that we don't have because most of our users arent using spoutcraft. there are a few more options with spoutcraft and i have been using it for months.

a hell of a lot of you are already using mods and illegitimate clients anyway. so trying to tell me you wouldn't download a "good" client to play on truforge just tells me you have a reason to want to keep things as they are -- you're probably cheating in some way.

especially people like evo -- we all know you've used a hacked client before. why wouldn't you be able to use the spoutcraft client if you were fine with using the hacked client?

parkourmen wrote:

EvoExor wrote:

parkourmen wrote:

EvoExor wrote:

Admin wrote:

zombiekilla96 wrote:I don't think x-ray texture packs are the problem, I think it's x-ray mods. X-ray mods show all ores (and caves) through blocks, whereas x-ray texture packs just show ores that are already exposed. A possible option is a ore scrambler plugin, where stone that hasn't been unearthed (open to the air) appears as a fake ore. The effect for x-rayers is that it's impossible to discover a legitimate ore, considering every stone block appears as an ore until it's mined. This wouldn't affect normal players in the least, but would make x-ray mods ineffective. It also doesn't require spout, from what I've heard

yeah these unfortunately are LAG LAG LAG plugins.

forcing spout would eliminate anyone using xray mods, though.

What the hell is sput anyways?

i a sort of Mc Client.

So, if fox and hjel decides to force us to use spout to join the server, they are loosing alot off members like me.

It crashes my Pc. i cant use mods or hacks or any kind of client.

but you're using the minecraft client...

Admin wrote:why would we lose any members?

spoutcraft is a community-released version of minecraft that enables us to do new things with minecraft. the "work" for a user would be the same as just downloading the original minecraft.exe from minecraft.net

it's the same thing. many plugins require the spout-plugin, which hooks into bukkit and does all kinds of awesome. there are features (like making our own blocks) that we don't have because most of our users arent using spoutcraft. there are a few more options with spoutcraft and i have been using it for months.

a hell of a lot of you are already using mods and illegitimate clients anyway. so trying to tell me you wouldn't download a "good" client to play on truforge just tells me you have a reason to want to keep things as they are -- you're probably cheating in some way.

especially people like evo -- we all know you've used a hacked client before. why wouldn't you be able to use the spoutcraft client if you were fine with using the hacked client?

I want a normal mc experience, like mcmmo and truforge plugins is alright, but i wont be playing on a server that has un original blocks.. and i dont like that you are forcing us to use spout to play on the server if you sat yes to this.
Like i said, if that will happen, so long, truforge.

...those plugins will be the same?

and all the current blocks would also be the same. you have used an alternate client in the past... you know it would all be the same. i don't get your point.

Admin wrote:...those plugins will be the same?

and all the current blocks would also be the same. you have used an alternate client in the past... you know it would all be the same. i don't get your point.

My point is that its bs to force your members to use a different client than the mc client.

if you feel that way, do not complain to me whenever you're raided again

Admin wrote:if you feel that way, do not complain to me whenever you're raided again

like i said 2 times earlier, so long truforge.

I personally completely agree with enforcing spout. I recently found out that a lot more server members are using hacks than I ever could have imagined (source will remain anonymous), and I think the possibility of losing a few members, especially ones that hack and don't want spout to interfere with those various cheats, would be worthwhile to the truforge community. I would rather play on a server with a smaller amount of legitimate members than a ton of cheaters. And Evo, you saying that you want a server with a more "normal" minecraft experience, you can go shut up. Spout doesn't necessarily alter the normal way of things, and certainly doesn't do any more than the plugins that are already being used. If anything, it will be an idle plugin to help stop hackers. Your insistence to not switch to spout, and the bullshit claims you make for not doing so, are honestly very suspicious to me.

Well I will be happy to follow any recommendations when it comes to the server, I may need to upgrade my laptop (its a laggy thing) for this spout thing but thats ok it needs it, and ninjar is greedy and always has the good pc as his arguement is he needs to pvp .... ah pfft pfft...

So this spout thing also will give us all the same texture's? If so i think thats a great as I would love to see someones builds and designs in the way they see it (confusing yes but you get my point)

zombiekilla96 wrote:I personally completely agree with enforcing spout. I recently found out that a lot more server members are using hacks than I ever could have imagined (source will remain anonymous), and I think the possibility of losing a few members, especially ones that hack and don't want spout to interfere with those various cheats, would be worthwhile to the truforge community. I would rather play on a server with a smaller amount of legitimate members than a ton of cheaters. And Evo, you saying that you want a server with a more "normal" minecraft experience, you can go shut up. Spout doesn't necessarily alter the normal way of things, and certainly doesn't do any more than the plugins that are already being used. If anything, it will be an idle plugin to help stop hackers. Your insistence to not switch to spout, and the bullshit claims you make for not doing so, are honestly very suspicious to me.

Zombiekilla, I dont want to switch back and fort from spout to a normal client whenever im going on a different server, and if you have the name off the hackers, TELL THE FUCKING NAMES, if you care so much about getting rid off the hackers you start telling us who it is.
And if its suspicious to say no to a thing im guilty.

Well, I promised my source I would keep the names a secret, at least to people that are not admins (why would I tell you...?), and as far as I know, you don't have to switch between clients to play on regular servers; I got the impression that it was backwards-compatible with regular mc. And again, I would never tell you, but the amount of hackers (that I gained irrefutible evidence of hacking) is astonishing.

zombiekilla96 wrote:Well, I promised my source I would keep the names a secret, at least to people that are not admins (why would I tell you...?), and as far as I know, you don't have to switch between clients to play on regular servers; I got the impression that it was backwards-compatible with regular mc. And again, I would never tell you, but the amount of hackers (that I gained irrefutible evidence of hacking) is astonishing.

Then i suggest to take your finger out off your arse an get those hackers banned.
And if you still thinks im hacking i got video evidence that im not from the time ep3o accused me and when me and ninjar were raiding a litte bit before that.

RBI, who gets banned for hacking is the exact opposite of your business. And video proof of you NOT hacking is not exactly proof that you don't hack...